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Ariena Najea · Feb 01, 2009, 12:17 AM // 00:17

Something to remember by this poll is that the majority of casual PvE players will never go to an online forum like Guru. This means that the data is skewed towards favoring PvP.

I'll wager that the number of PvE only players is at least five times the number of PvP players (also counting PvX players). Most new players find it near impossible to get anywhere in PvP, so they stick to what they know they can beat.

DreamWind · Feb 01, 2009, 12:55 AM // 00:55

Most people probably play a little of both. There seems to be very few that are strictly one or the other.

Master Knightfall · Feb 01, 2009, 01:35 AM // 01:35

As has always been stated and known PVE is the leading reason people play rpg games. Balancing these games based on pvp play is why so many people quit playing them as well.

HawkofStorms · Feb 01, 2009, 01:43 AM // 01:43

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Originally Posted by Ratson Itamar

I think that you're confusing newbies with noobs. The game isn't being sold separately in stores anymore where I live, it's just too old and the "all in one" package is too expansive for new players to buy and risk their money.(Moreover, EoTN is sold in Office Depot at the "garbage" stand where you buy all the leftovers)

Kamadan is not an example, it's nicknamed Spamadan for a reason.

No, I used the term "newbie" correctly. New players (ie newbies) who haven't beaten PvE yet still have a lot of content to play through in PvE.

Cale Roughstar · Feb 01, 2009, 03:04 AM // 03:04

I currently play pretty much equally.

I would prefer to play PvP primarily, but with the current meta, can't stand HA, so I am taking the time to work on some titles, farming, anything that I have fun doing.

This game has a lot to offer, and to shun PvP or PvE for the other is to miss out on a lot of great stuff. You just need to know where to look.

DreamWind · Feb 01, 2009, 03:41 AM // 03:41

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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

As has always been stated and known PVE is the leading reason people play rpg games. Balancing these games based on pvp play is why so many people quit playing them as well.

As has always been stated and known PvP is the leading reason people play PvP games. Balancing these games based on PvE play is why so many people quit playing them as well.

R.Shayne · Feb 01, 2009, 05:25 AM // 05:25

Just like bad players killed PuGs, so have PvP killed PvP, not ANET.

I wonder what would have happen if PvP's had tried something called good sportsmanship instead of childish behavior.

How many of the pvp actually played sports in real life?

Bryant Again · Feb 01, 2009, 07:12 AM // 07:12

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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

As has always been stated and known PVE is the leading reason people play rpg games. Balancing these games based on pvp play is why so many people quit playing them as well.

It's not safe to say that such a mass exodus of players of left due to such balancing when the only thing you're going to be able to show for proof is personal experience (pointing to forums isn't safe either). Given that most players don't know a whole lot about the game, most may not even notice such changes. Even if they do notice, not all will have the same mindset:
"holy balls my skill got changed! *#%(*&#^(*@&^GRRRR", or
"holy balls my skill got changed! hm, must've been for good reason", or
"holy balls my skill got changed! aw well I have a hundred more skills to replace it with np"...and it continues.

Divinity Sword · Feb 01, 2009, 07:42 AM // 07:42

Not gonna lie here, I'm definitely a PVEer in every game I play. People don't seem to be very nice in PvP and it seems to be more about winning than having fun. Not saying PvE can't be like that too, but there seems to be a lot less of it in PvE.

The forth fly · Feb 01, 2009, 10:47 AM // 10:47

PvE for me,the only PvP i do is RA and thats for a laugh.The problem i have with PvP is every 1 runs the same builds/teams,which makes it boring,not fun,people take it too seriously

Jaran Cell · Feb 01, 2009, 11:49 AM // 11:49

I'd say i play both of them PvE: 10% PvP 90%

If you arn't in an ok guild, have all campaigns, generally know people and are able to spend some amount of time then PvP just doesn't give enough rewards to keep playing.

The reason for people leaving the game is lack of new content. Same thing would have happened to WoW if they didn't continiously update the game with new stuff to play through. GW sadly can't do that due to not having a subscription fee.

Wrath of m0o · Feb 01, 2009, 11:57 AM // 11:57

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Originally Posted by Jaran Cell

The reason for people leaving the game is lack of new content.

Thats funny, i could have sworn it was from players getting sick of Anet's Nurf Bat.

Master Knightfall · Feb 01, 2009, 01:42 PM // 13:42

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

Most people probably play a little of both. There seems to be very few that are strictly one or the other.

According to the poll you are completely wrong of course.

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Given that most players don't know a whole lot about the game,

and just where is 'your' documented evidence of that statement? you want to chastise me for using abstract assumptions of values and population and yet in the very same post you do the same. hahaha. No documents then don't even try to use the word "most" and don't even try to use some strawman comeback either. You only have as you said to me "your own experiences" to go by and you certainly don't represent "most". hahaha

Master Knightfall · Feb 01, 2009, 01:48 PM // 13:48

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

As has always been stated and known PvP is the leading reason people play PvP games. Balancing these games based on PvE play is why so many people quit playing them as well.

But, this game wasn't built around PVP or there would be more PVP players. Thus PVE rules and PVP should take a backseat just like all the other mmorpgs out there. But, Anet chose to screw up Guild Wars on both sides of the fence and thus are losing players for both reasons. haha

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Not gonna lie here, I'm definitely a PVEer in every game I play. People don't seem to be very nice in PvP and it seems to be more about winning than having fun. Not saying PvE can't be like that too, but there seems to be a lot less of it in PvE.

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PvE for me,the only PvP i do is RA and thats for a laugh.The problem i have with PvP is every 1 runs the same builds/teams,which makes it boring,not fun,people take it too seriously

These two guys really said it best, especially about PVP and PVP players in general. They use the same cookie cutter builds over n over and they generally aren't nice people. All you have to do is have a conversation with one of them in the game or on a forum. They act like they are gods gift to role playing games.

Dmitri3 · Feb 01, 2009, 02:48 PM // 14:48

PvP and PvE are both important. A lot of people can't take the criticism though and stay away from PvP.

Issac · Feb 01, 2009, 02:59 PM // 14:59

I use to be a lot more pve, but after I got my titles I'm pretty much pvp now.

Darkobra · Feb 01, 2009, 03:58 PM // 15:58

PVP bores me in this. Rock Scissors Paper is too simple for me. I played PVE for its story and once I finished that, I went on to better games.

moriz · Feb 01, 2009, 04:25 PM // 16:25

i play both, but i lean towards pvp more often.

pve doesn't challenge me enough; it is simply too easy. which also shows why the majority play it, because it caters to the lowest common denominator in terms of skill. on the other hand, playing pve with a buddy or two is a very enjoyable experience, and i'd often ask for "help" with a pve mission even though i don't actually need help.

DarkNecrid · Feb 01, 2009, 05:02 PM // 17:02

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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

But, this game wasn't built around PVP or there would be more PVP players.

Two things:
1 - Guild Wars doesn't have as many pure PvPers for two reasons:
a) Because the PvP was destroyed in Nightfall.
b) Because most PvPers PvE too. (because PvE characters have a few benefits in time saving for the player, and also just because it saves slots.)
2 - Mike O'Brien (founder of ArenaNet) disagrees with you and says that Guild Wars was built around PvP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmnEWvo1Ugw (#2 in vid)

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These two guys really said it best, especially about PVP and PVP players in general. They use the same cookie cutter builds over n over and they generally aren't nice people. All you have to do is have a conversation with one of them in the game or on a forum. They act like they are gods gift to role playing games.

Cookie cutter builds are nothing but the most optimal builds. You're kidding yourself if you think PvErs don't use cookie cutter builds either. Shadow Form farming, UWSC, CoP & RoJ, etc, all cookie cutter builds. You use cookie cutter builds because they give you the best chance of winning. In a H/H PvE setting, none of the AI is gonna complain when you're slow or doing bad, but when you're teamed up with 7 other people who are all trying to accomplish a goal, you better be trying too. If you try to PvE with Mending, Frenzy, and Heal Sig with 7 other HUMAN players, I bet they'd complain too. Why? Because you're wasting their time.

Your latter statement is a gross stereotyping. A lot of the lower end players are kids or teens who have an attitude, sure, but no one should care or let them bother you anyways. They try to act awesome so they feel good about themselves. Talk to any REAL high level PvPer on a good day and be nice, and you'll see that there's a lot of good and nice PvPers around. People like Awowa, Jaden, Pounds, Mitch, Ensign, Billiard, Tommy, Divine, etc are all very nice people who regularly help out people trying to learn PvP/guest for them and give people sound advice. And those people are in the far majority when it comes to PvP, they're just not in the low level areas 24/7 being awesome (because those places suck). Just because a lot of low level PvP people are retarded doesn't mean the majority of PvPers are.

Wretchman Drake · Feb 01, 2009, 05:14 PM // 17:14

I just cant comprehend how people can still PvE in this game. It's just 4 campaigns, all of which now can be done pretty much with henchies/heroes which ruins the 'mmo' factor of the game where you should team up with other players, and what's there to do after you beat the campaigns? What do you even gain out of it? I don't see how that's fun.

Or farming FoW or UW... In a game like this, there is no reason to get gold other than waste it in useless money sinks like dyes and mini pets.

Guild Wars Prophecies, when it came out, was in its prime. Nobody really had a main to run people thru, everyone had to lvl and quest to earn their lvls and not just gain lvl20 in a day like in Factions.

In Prophecies at its prime teaming up to finish the campaign was a blast, I'll never forget my experience going through the game my first time. But like many rpg's out there the expansions just kill the glory of the game. It's as good as a single player RPG with heroes/henchies now.

Sorry but you people don't know what true PvE is in MMORPG's or RPG's. Doing missions with heroes/henchies in the campaign and sitting in town showing off mini pets is a joke. There's no true dungeons that players can raid for gear other than Sorrow's Furnace but the greens there aren't worth the hassle anymore with the new stuff out.